Alabama's Ten Commandments Monument
Usually this blog covers election law and campaign finance issues, but a minor theme is "politicians in trouble with the law." I think the time has come for me to consider Chief Justice Roy Moore such a poltician in trouble. Here's the story to date for those who missed it. Moore got elected to the Supreme Court on the basis of his fame as the judge who put the Ten Commandments in his courtroom (he was a circuit judge at the time). After he was installed, he and a religious group designed, financed, created, and copyrighted a granite monument (usually described by the Birmingham public radio station as "washing machine-sized") depicting the Ten Commandment on an open book and the four sides of the monument contain quotes from Founding Fathers and other political leaders regarding the influence of God on America. Here is a picture of the monument at a website devoted to defending Moore.
Three lawyers brought suit against the monument. Private groups provided the attorneys who defended Moore, although the Attorney General of Alabama obligingly appointed them as "special assistant attorneys general." The Federal Court in Montgomery issued an injunction against the monument. The injunction has been stayed while an appeal to the 11th Circuit is pending. The plaintiffs' attorneys have now filed a request for payment of their fees, totalling over $700,000. Guess who will pay that fee when it is awarded? The people of Alabama and not Justice Moore or his erstwhile defenders.
Now this prospect has caused lots of editorial opinion and letters to the editor denouncing the idea that Moore is costing the State court system money (In addition to the $7 million deficit the court are facing this year). On the other hand, there are lots of letter writers explaning that the First Amendment does not apply to the states, does not prohibit an ackowledgement of God, etc. Here is one editorial from the Montgomery Independent, a weekly in Montgomery.
Will the good people of Alabama turn against Moore if he loses his appeal and costs the State even more money? Don't count on it.
Comments
Does the A L A B A M A Constitution specify which god? Is it the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Is it Allah? What about Emperor Hirohito or Amon-Ra? What many Christians do not recognize is that by paying homage to the government’s generic "God" they are in fact insulting the Lord whom they profess to serve.
I am a conservative Christian (and thus no longer a Republican). However, I do not see how the 1st Amendment, as it is currently interpreted by the courts, gives anyone the right to post the Ten Commandments on public property- without also giving other religions a similar right. And how many of the Alabama Christians would tolerate having passages from the Koran or the Hindu Vedas or any scripture from any other religion posted alongside the Ten Commandments?
It would do the country a service if the Courts would read the Constitution once in a while. Article VII of the U.S. Constitution (the last one written by the Philadelphia convention) concludes, “Done in convention by the unanimous consent of the states present the seventeenth day of September in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-seven…”. At no time in world history has the expression “in the year of our Lord” been applied to anyone other than Jesus Christ, the Son of God. The Constitution established the United States as a Judeo-Christian Nation (and don’t bring up the Treaty of Tripoli- I seen the left’s arguments before and found them wanting).
But, sadly, America is no longer a Judeo-Christian nation; if it were the situation in Alabama would not be an issue. Therefore, I wonder why the Christians of Alabama are so up-in-arms over a public display of the Ten Commandments. Surely, their efforts would be better directed towards electing office holders who will uphold the Ten Commandments as a matter of law rather than settling for mere symbolism.
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Posted by: jeafl | August 22, 2003 7:48 PM
I AM PROUD TO BACK JUDGE MOORE IT SHOWS A MAN NOT AFRAID TO STAND UP FOR GOD AND THE BIBLE.I FEEL A LESSON IS TO LEARNED IN THIS FOR IF YOU TAKE GOD OUT OF OUR COUNTRY WHAT HAVE WE GOT. ALL THE LEADERS THAT WANT TO REMOVE THE TEN COMMANDMENTS MONUMENT NEED TO TAKE NOTE AS VOTER LETS REMOVE THEM FROM OFFICE IF THEY DONT BACK JUDGE MOORE THE ALSO WERE SWORN IN ON THE MORALS OF THE BIBLE SO US CHRISTIANS NEED TO STAND UP AND TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK PUT IN THE HANDS OF LEADRERS NOT AFRAID OF THE BIBLE AND THE WORD AND LAWS IT HOLDS.GOD HELP OUR COUNTRY LETS PRAY THEY DONT REMOVE THE MONUMENT AND LETS VOTE THOSE THAT WANT TO REMOVE IT OUT OF OFFICE.
Posted by: conrad faulkner | August 24, 2003 7:32 PM
judge moore is a silly old drama queen who was suspended by the judicial inquiry commission for failing to comply with a federal court order to remove the "10 Commandments" monument he installed in fulfillment of a campaign promise Moore made to right-wing religious hypocrites.
Posted by: sherrymarie | August 25, 2003 12:49 PM
There is no way that Judge Moore or his self righteous followers are right about keeping the ten commandments in a court building. They are just showing their own ignornce by trying to damage the laws the protect their own stupidity.
Posted by: wood | August 27, 2003 8:45 PM
I know it's the 'bible belt' and all, but seriously, isn't this country supposed to be a 'melting pot' of ethnic backgrounds?? I agree that if someone tried (god-foresaken to Alabama christians) to post jewish or islamic or hindu scriptures/passages/monuments in public, not a single one of them would protest if the publicly seen scriptures/passages/monuments were ordered to be placed out of public view or taken down all together.
How can our government portray "publicly" (in a courthouse of all places) that ONE religious passage is the ONE (not just for the nation, but even just Alabama) and still expect to keep the country free and prosperous, not to mention, the most powerfull and influential, because of the fact that we tolerate any religion???? Seriously, if the terrorists had it their way, our country's states would be fighting each other over this exact kind of thing.....religious beliefs.
From the constitution:
'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.'
Doesn't having this monument in the courthouse (where laws are argued and decided) actually JUST respect the Judeo-Christian religious views?? The first commandment is "You shall have no other gods before Me."
From the Declaration of Independence:
'We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.'
Note how it says: "...that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator." So what does that mean?? Their creator. Doesn't that mean I have the right to believe who I think my creator IS?? I'm not trying to bash religion, but I respect the people I share the same community with and I don't put a monument up for them to live by. An artistic, religious sculpture is one thing...if it's in a museum. Not in the public courthouse.
I think we should all pray to our own gods, be happy, and leave the goverenment out of it. I also think that every single protester in Alabama (and the rest of the bible-belt for that matter) that hasn't, should visit New York City for a few days and witness for themselves the diversity that this nation thrives and builds upon. After all, sn't that the city that we were ALL AS A COUNTRY concerned about and praying to our own gods for on September eleventh, 2001??
Posted by: crimsontidewater | August 27, 2003 10:07 PM
I think that they should leave it there because nobody had a problem with it before and if they did the didn't say anything.But whatever happens will happen because God has it in his plans to happen.
Posted by: Miss Cox | September 14, 2003 12:18 PM
Our country was founded on God, Jesus Christ, the one and ONLY true creator of heaven and earth and of every human being who has ever lived and is living. Our forefathers claimed this nation as "one nation under God". This nation was founded on God, by God, with God, and for God. To take God out of our nation, would destroy us. And that is exactly what people are doing when they take prayer out of schools, and ten commandment monuments out of courthouses, and "under God" out of the very pledge that is said in public places all over the United States. Someone once said that big mistakes start with small steps. Our nation has started taking small steps to a big mistake, by taking the Ten Commandments out of the courthouse in Alabama. If only there were more Roy Moore's and more President George Bush's in our government that would lead our nation back to Christ, then there wouldn't be a problem like this. It is ridiculous to think that someone's right's are being violated by displaying the Ten Commandments in a courthouse. No one is forceing anyone to look at the commandments or live by them, pbviously. Because if our nation was living by the commandments, then problems like these would never arise, and our nation would be a better place. It is a shame that the people of our nation (that was founded under God) could become so easily offended at the thought of their rights being violated by a monument being displayed in a public place. Thank You, Judge Roy Moore, for being in the will of God, and for standing up in what you believe in, no matter what the outcome. You have made a step in the right direction for our nation, amidst those who continue to guide our nation away from God. And thank you, President Bush, also for being in the will of God. It is men like Moore and Bush, that help guide us in the direction best for our nation. Towards the one TRUE Creator.
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